Another Ugly Republican

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Originally posted by Lew:
Bottom-line is this:

Should the pregnant single woman be allowed to teach? Of course. Do we need her to rant to the class about the destructive, patriarchial system known as marriage? Only if that's the subject matter of the class she's teaching (I'm not saying she did that, I'm just speaking hypothetically). Are the kids going to talk about her behind her back? Yes, but they'd do that anyway, no matter who it was- married, single, old, young, fat, skinny, tall, short, white, black....students talk about their teachers. I did. We all did. So be it.

But one thing is for certain- parents should be the arbiter of their childrens' upbringing, not the schools. And definitely not the public schools. English, math, science, history, etc. That's what the kids need to learn. They need to learn how to learn, not what to learn. As long as that end can be reached, it shouldn't matter who's doing the teaching.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You are correct, it is the parents' responsibility for the upbringing of their children. But what is a proper upbringing?

My parents were probably more in line with Sean Pa. I lived a sheltered life, a wholesome life.

What that did was leave me unprepared for the great world out there, and it took a lot of catching up to do.

I'm still not sure what Sean Pa's premise is by insisting no gay person teach his junior high children. A gay person can teach math or history or whatever just as well as a straight person can.

He seems to be concerned about what his children will learn about "relationships." I'm still not sure what he means, but I can tell you this:

Limiting exposure to gay people will not influence his children's propensity to be or not be gay. If his son ends up being gay, he's going to be gay no matter what Sean does about it.

Not that Sean would ever take my advice, but if an of his children ever end up being gay, I would hope he'd do what's best and prepare himself and them for what can be a difficult journey.

Based on what he's said so far, I don't think he is.

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Originally posted by LAKE:
Gee, I'm so glad this hasn't been reduced to name calling! [img]graemlins/whatever.gif[/img]

Gotta love those tolerant liberals. Tolerant as long as you agree with them. What a joke. http://joanongovernment.homestead.com/files/FLIPA.gif

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Just look at the source Lake, look at the source and just move on...

Please understand Reason I dont know if I am right or wrong on this issue, its just a fathers thoughts. I feel that my five year son is far to young to be introduced to same sex relationships.
Our school is the heart of the community, with all sorts of fetes, fairs and fundraising events all with the involvement of the teachers partners,at five years old it too early for the father son gay relationship talk.
I dont think that makes me an overprotective,zealot, I certainly dont think i am.
A more understanding human torward gay rights, you would struggle to find, I have worked with Gay and Lesbians all my working life, Jeez I was even doorman for the local lesbian night. Theres a fiesty bunch)
Please dont judge my by what Gae wrote ( still struggling to see how her post was relevant or even related to my previous post)
When my son ages and matures then my thoughts and views will change with him, He WILL grow up having his own mind and thoughts.
I`m just doing the best job I know.
Am I bad??

I think you are probably a great dad Sean. You have every right to shield your son at his age until such time he can better understand the whole concept. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

I happen to know a biology teacher who also happens to be a lesbian. She cares about her kids education as much as if not more than most of the parents. She is as fine a teacher as I know. I do not have a problem with her teaching my kids (if I had any).

If, however, my kid comes home and tells me he/she learned about blow jobs, I'd have a problem with the teacher whether they were straight or gay.

If you have problems with gays or lesbian teachers, the problem is with YOU!!!....not the teachers.

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I feel that my five year son is far to young to be introduced to same sex relationships.

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Sean, has this teacher introduced your child to same sex relationships? If they have, you have every right to be concerned. If they haven't, please see my above post.

I think it goes back to the whole thing about being obvious about it. A gay teacher is one thing. That's his or her own business. A gay teacher who is militant about it or makes it an issue in front of little kids is another matter. I can see Sean's wanting to protect his young son from being exposed to something he isn't old enough to understand. But if the teacher is discreet I think they have every right to be in their chosen profession. Don't ask don't tell makes as much sense and solves the problem in this environment as much as it does in the military IMHO.

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Originally posted by G L:
I think you are probably a great dad Sean. You have every right to shield your son at his age until such time he can better understand the whole concept. [img]graemlins/thumbs_up.gif[/img]

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<font size="2" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ok...but it's not just gays who can present this information to children. The rule should apply equally to everyone - gay or straight.

I think we need to separate the discussion of the behavior from the discussion of who the person is.

Imputing (thanks GL [img]wink.gif[/img] ) harmful knowledge to children is not the exclusive domain of Gays & Lesbians.

I agree with reason, we need to separate the message from the messenger.

And I stand by my original assertion: If you have a problem with a gay or lesbian teaching your child, the problem is with YOU....not the teacher.

We agree to disagree then Jumper, I still think 5 is too young to be introduced to same sex relationships you dont, Fair enough, I`ve never claimed to be right.